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Ottawa 711 Stores Closing
October 19, 2009
5:54 am
huntech
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I got a text message this morning saying to contact customer service. It turns out that 711 is closing their Ottawa stores and won't be supporting SpeakOut here. I spoke to customer service. The options they stated are:

1) Stay with SpeakOut but get your equipment and top-ups online or by phone

2) Move to Petro Canada wireless

3) Move to Good2Go - a new wireless service.

Anyone else have more info on this?
How about a pricing comparison?

October 19, 2009
5:55 am
huntech
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I should modify that last post a bit and say that they aren't closing the stores, just selling them and no longer supporting SpeakOut.

October 19, 2009
9:13 am
sapien
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Did I read that correctly?

huntech said:

1) Stay with SpeakOut but get your equipment and top-ups online


Does this mean SO is starting an online web interface for top-ups, etc? Can anyone else confirm that?

October 19, 2009
10:55 am
Holden McGroin
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I called and was told that the only options were:
1) Switch to Petro Canada at no charge
2) Switch to GoodToGo at no charge
3) Buy 7-11 top ups in Toronto (you on a visit or a friend/relative)

Only Petro Canada offers online top ups. Only 7-11 has 365 day expiry on top ups less than $100.

http://goodtogowireless.com/

I am going to stick with SpeakOut for now since I still have 11 months to go!

October 19, 2009
11:30 am
cheapohubby
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Guess I better go out and pick up a top-up before they close. My phone is expiring in January, so the 90 day limit will work.
Any indication if the no-charge switch-overs are a short term offer, or if they will be available 12 months from now?

Seems like an opening for some enterpreneur in Toronto; buy the top-ups for us, and email us the codes; for a nominal fee of course.... Can anybody think of a reason that wouldn't work?

October 19, 2009
11:56 am
cheapohubby
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I was bored; so I gave them a call. She said that the option to switchover for free "should" be available anytime down the line as well. So there's no rush to switch if you have a balance on the phone.

October 19, 2009
12:14 pm
huntech
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By "get your equipment and top-ups online", I mean buying them from individuals via the for sale forums or over the phone top-ups (if they offer that service).

Sorry for the confusion!

October 19, 2009
12:55 pm
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Do either of the other possible services (Move to Petro Canada wireless and Good2Go) offer a 365 day expiry? And will they honour the 11 months that I have left on my current phone if I switch? I literally bought my SO phone less than a month ago specifically because of the 365 day expiry.

October 19, 2009
2:00 pm
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And will they honour the 11 months that I have left on my current phone if I switch?


Huh? You can continue to use your phone for the next 11 months. It won't explode or stop working simply because there are no local 7-Eleven stores to buy airtime cards. If you know someone in a community with a 7-Eleven, you can get them to buy a top up card for you in 11 months and continue to use SpeakOut. I live about 50 km from the nearest 7-Eleven and do just fine. I just have to remember to buy my refills when I'm near a store.

October 20, 2009
11:42 am
Fred Beisswanger
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I bought my speakout phone from 7 Eleven 6 months ago and got a message from 7 Eleven yesterday to contact customer service. I was told that the service for my cell phone would no longer be available in Ottawa and was told the service for 7 Eleven phones will be available in Toronto, or I can switch my service to PetroCanada. PetroCanada charges $ 6.25 a month plus $ 0.99 for the Emergency Service. I only made 1 phone call and have $ 24.05 left on my airtime. There is no way I am paying PetroCanada $ 7.24 a month plus tax, I will see if 7 Eleven wants to buy back my phone for which I paid $ 101.00 or I wait until the new cell phone providers come on line. I have been informed that a call from a cell phone can be made to 911 even so nobody provides service for that phone, as long as the battery on that phone is charged.

October 20, 2009
12:20 pm
Walter_Wpg
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>>>> I was told that the service for my cell phone would no longer be available in Ottawa and was told the service for 7 Eleven phones will be available in Toronto, or I can switch my service to PetroCanada. <<<<<

That doesn't sound right at all. Perhaps you misunderstood what they said? Since Speakout phones use the Rogers cell phone towers and network, your Speakout phone will work (i.e. have "service") wherever Rogers phones work, and they certainly will work in Ottawa for the foreseeable future.

The fact that Ottawa 7-11 stores will no longer "service" and support Speakout phones is a different issue altogether. If you live in Ottawa, the stores there will no longer sell the airtime vouchers. However, you (or someone else) can buy Speakout airtime vouchers at any other 7-11 in Canada, and you can use those vouchers to top up your Ottawa phone.

Make sense?

October 20, 2009
12:41 pm
titaniumtux
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@Zinger: You can get a 365 day expiry when topping up $100 with either Good2Go or PetroCan.
This is unfortunately not nearly as appealing as with 7-11 SpeakOut (where you can top up any
amount and get the 365 day expiry).

I called the customer service...

I really appreciate the links to Good2Go and PetroCan. Good2Go will be available in Ottawa at
the Quickie convenience stores (if you stay in Ottawa, this is great because they have many
locations across Ottawa/Gatineau). Since there are no Quickies anywhere else, I don't know
what convenience stores will be offering Good2Go in other big cities, if any (right now Good2Go
is only available at Avondale food stores in Southern Ontario). Good2Go will be available at Quickie November 1st,
so I'll have to check the website to see if it will be available in other cities. The good thing about
Good2Go is the ¢10 sms outgoing and free incoming, whereas with PetroCan it's ¢5 to send and
¢5 to receive.

The good thing about PetroCan is that they're everywhere (even in Quebec, not like it matters
when you can top up online), and you get PetroPoints. I do not yet collect PetroPoints...I'm
wondering if I should start.

Anyone else have any inclination to switching to either PetroCan or Good2Go? If so, what are your
reasons?

October 20, 2009
6:13 pm
PaulOttawa
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I just spoke to them and what she told me is that you have until December of 2009 to switch providers, free of charge. After that date, I'm not sure what happens.. either you pay a fee to switch over and keep your number, or you lose your remaining minutes and get a new phone number (i.e. new SIM card, unless you'd have to get a new phone with PetroCan or Good2Go?).

Meh, I think I will stick with 7-11 and buy my minutes when I go out of town.

October 21, 2009
6:06 am
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Fred Beisswanger said:

PetroCanada charges $ 6.25 a month plus $ 0.99 for the Emergency Service.


I'm not saying it isn't so but can anyone confirm the $6.25/mo? I don't see that anywhere on their website.

October 21, 2009
6:39 am
mac
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The Petro-Can rates page shows that for $25 worth of minutes (100 min), these will expire after 120 days which is 4 months which is 6.25$ per month. It is like they are saying the monthly cost to you is $6.25. So I don't see anything that says that this is a monthly fee.

The fine print shows that 911 fees do apply, which they will deduct automatically every month until the airtime expires in 120 days. That's $3.96 to you on the $25 plan and if you stretch your time out over the 4 months then you will lose about 16 minutes of airtime overall because of the 911 (if my math is correct)

"An additional monthly fee of $0.99 for 911 services.
Minutes based on local calling rates of 25¢ per minute.
Days of service expire when airtime value is depleted. "

I think that 911 charges should be made on a pay per use basis. If you call 911, then charge my account the extra $1.00 at that time. This is obviously their cash cow.

October 21, 2009
6:52 am
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The Petro-Can rates page shows that for $25 worth of minutes (100 min), these will expire after 120 days which is 4 months which is 6.25$ per month. It is like they are saying the monthly cost to you is $6.25. So I don't see anything that says that this is a monthly fee.

It's not. With PCM you have to buy a minimum of $25 airtime 3x a year, i.e. spend $75 a year to keep your account alive. However, unused minutes carry forward indefinitely. If you're a light user, SO is better because it only costs $25 a year to keep your account alive. If you use your phone enough to justify it, you may as well buy $100 airtime at a time from either PCM or SO. In that case SO is better (for now) because you get a 25% bonus on $75/$100 topups. So which is better depends on your usage patterns.

I think that 911 charges should be made on a pay per use basis. If you call 911, then charge my account the extra $1.00 at that time. This is obviously their cash cow.

I disagree with this vehemently. Think of 911 service like insurance: Everyone pays to fund the system but only those unlucky enough to have an emergency will ever use it. The service we all pay for is to provide the coverage 24x7x365. Whether the 99c fee is a cash cow or not is a separate issue.

BTW while SO calls it a 911 fee, I suspect the money is used for other valid purposes as well. For example it costs SO to keep your account and phone number alive whether you use it or not. IMO 99c (or $12/year) is a reasonable "minimum charge" for providing a cellphone service to people who may use their phones only rarely or in emergencies. If you want to rail against excessive charges, target the big-3 and their ridiculous $6 to $8/month "NAFs."

October 21, 2009
8:37 am
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True enough bylo. 911 fees are like an insurance plan. Other providers likely hide the fee in something else, or scoop a cent off the minute fee. (I like to conspire).

Anyway, it really sucks that SO can not be purchased here in Ottawa as I went with it because of the reviews provided by this site. I was just at the point of purchasing a second phone for another relative when the text message came in. And so now I am looking at Petro-Can for a phone but facing the $75 per year minimum fee to keep the phone active. But come to think of it, my business phone might cost me $100 if I don't use up all the minutes when I got the first SO phone. hmm... small price to pay in reality compared to $30/mon on Bell's plan to just have an active phone for those few calls that are ever made.

Thanks for the great work on this site!!

Cheers

October 23, 2009
7:37 am
Btu8
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Do PCM or G2G provide roaming in US? I know SO phone doesn't work in the States.
Would be be a nice to have.

October 23, 2009
9:06 am
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Do PCM or G2G provide roaming in US?

No for PCM and highly probable no for G2G. PCM service is provided by MNVO ztar, as is SO. ztar uses Rogers' network in Canada but has no roaming arrangements in the US. I assume the same is true for G2G.

October 24, 2009
7:55 am
Mike
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After digging into good to go wireless. I have no idea why are they giving us that option. They are just like Speakout except, you have to pay 10 cents income and outgoing, voucher last 90, 180, 365, for $25, $50, $100 respectfully. You can only get at: Avondale food store in eastern Ontario, none in Ottawa, or even close. Visit: http://goodtogowireless.com/ for more information. Ztar also runs it. I want to run one of these as business.

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