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I am going to say this... and it is truth..

It is not about the volume/speed of data is that the problem, the problem is that they want up to $$PAY$$.

If they had 2G data only but it was FULL data// this would do 2 things...

All Email clients and apps would work, but anything like VOIP or video chat would not because of the nature of 2G data being SLOW, EDGE is quite fast for everything else mind you.

And this is what they fear, They know that people would realise that you dont NEED LTE for check facepewp or TWITTER or use iMssaging or whatever Apps the cool kids use.

But they are afraid also that people wouls not bother with Text messaging Package also and use the Apps, so instead of doing what T_mobile does and limit it to 2G, they open it up but then give you some insane price at $10 for 100MB that can get used up in about 10 seconds if your phone hits 3G/LTE by accident// goodbye balance!

So there you have it, the reasoning is to keep people from buying super fast phones and spending $80 a month on data and not using the capacity of the network, this is why Rogers can sell the extra unused network, because people are not using it.

2G edge Data = texting Apps and Email + facebook + twitter.. basically all that people do on these things, so no reason to spend more. How much faster do you think your twitter will load on LTE? it is just ascii text...

And with Opera mini pages load almost as fast as 3G, and in most cases faster because the stock browser and phone is probably slow!

THey actually said this about the newest phone the HTC one, where the bottleneck was the PHONE! the LTE was TOO FAST!

Complaining that SO doesn't provide enough cheap data to your Samsung Galaxy Bittorrent is like complaining that gas is too expensive for your huge SUV.

You may make fun of Nokia, but they are creating a native web browser that will compress data and reduce bandwidth usage like Opera Mini. I can see them rolling out the Nokia Asha phone. With data compression, for $10/100mb, you can browse a lot.

I'm thinking of migrating to Wind, and they have data at $1/MB. Yes that is one megabyte. I confirmed with them that it is billed at a rate of 1c/10kb. For my non wifi needs, should I need to access data on the go, my data usage per month would be maybe $2-3 dollars a month.

That's why I'm so glad UMB is going away. I'm hoping that SO completely revamps their whole line.

SO and PCM are too similar. I'm hoping that SO adopts a plan similar to Wind mobile. Unlimited incoming and $1/mb data and $5/month unlimited texting. There is no money in voice anymore, so let's make it free.

Proxied or not, "Unlimited Data" for $10 is a 'steal' (pun intended), and you need to see it for what it was.

If you proxy, you have no right to complain about SO supposedly breaking TOS of which they are not.

Simplest reason as to why PCM still has UMB and SO doesn't?

There are more 7-11's than PC gas stations, and more subscribers to SO, so there are more abusing UMB on SO than PCM. So, end the UMB on the plan that has the lowest margins (with 365 expiry) and see who transfers to the PCM plan. Since they are the same company, they can see who transfers and which 'abusers' jump ship or go to PCM. If they find that the top 5% abusers who incurred 50% of their data network costs transfer over to PCM, and start blabbing all about it on forums on the internet, well, then that all goes away too.

Most people don't really use all that much data. If they brought in $10/100mb plans, it would probably be suitable for 60% of their subscriber base. Another 10% would probably grumble but moderate themselves, and 30% would jump ship. However that 30% would be the most unprofitable user segment, so losing you is NO BIG DEAL.

Most SO users don't go to forums, don't know anything about proxying apps or netflix. They are the same people who just happened to find out about SO by walking in the stores. Most people I talk to about SO have no ideal that 7-11 has their own service. This internet firestorm you and I are creating will be of things that most SO users don't care about.

For people that think that 1GB of data is reasonable, and those that think that 5GB/month is normal, well, they're stuck in a pickle, and will pay through the nose, or continue to circumvent UMB plans and basically shut them all down.

If you don't like what's happening at SO, then leave their service. Do you think complaining to the CRTC will do anything? Did it do anything to the big 3?

If you don't like the service, then leave. There are always better and smarter ways to do anything.

Oh, and to answer your question about the tickets and ride and whatever? Simple. TOS states that they can change the nature of service at any time. You've already saved lots of money. This last little $100 is no big deal. Use up your data at the more expensive rate and then port your number out.

andreww said:

If I claimed that I was going to give you unlimited gas for a month provided you drove one of my "Smart Cars", would you be justified in in complaining if you switched to an SUV and you used up your gas allotment in a few days?

Smarter than anything I just wrote.

noseyboink said:
It is people like you who bend over for the Telcos that allow them to walletrape us, you would perhaps enjoy living in China or any other of the oppressed places in the world where instead of speaking out in discontent you can tattle tale on fellow citizens and bow down to the dictators… You probably were for SOPA as well.

You do not understand what UMB was, it was the SALE OF UNUSED CAPACITY, they kicked you off when there was another user on it, just like cheap seats on a bus or aircraft, they would rather sell the empty space for next to nothing and still make profit than let the bus or plane go %25 full…

Just like most Canadian ISP's from 2AM to 8AM in the morning you can use as much data as you want and it is not counted in any way. It is a free for all because they have it sitting there doing nothing.

Relax……

If you look back on this thread, you will see that I was the person that first suggested unlimited 2g data.

I hardly think the abusers of the UMB used their connections 'responsibly' between the hours of 2-8am. I don't remember in any posts by UMBA's ever mentioning that they would get dropped, or kicked.

Data usage has exploded. "Excess capacity" is probably not as relavent now as it was then.

$10 unlimited data does not work out in the best interests of the big 3. It undermines their main offerings. If they collude on keeping arpu's high, they probably collude to pressure Rogers to shut this one down.

SOPA is an intellectual property issues pushed by big media and is a completely different issue from this, and is a pretty weak jab.

And it's pretty hard for me to be bent over by the telcos. They demand more money from me, so in response, I don't give it. There is no reason you have to give anyone more money for anything.

My cell phone bill is $40/year. I use a combination of wifi/cell/voip. I'm as connected as I ever want to be. It's a relief to walk out of the house and enjoy my day knowing that the messages I don't want to deal with on my walk can only bother me when I get back at home or work.

Funny you mention 2-8am internet usage. Telus jacked the rate on me for phone and internet. They pushed me to teksavvy. Now with a little bit of interent useage modification, I now save $25/month from what I paid to telus. I've shared the internet with other tenants in the building.

My landline/internet/'netflix'/cell phone bill is about $7/month. And I'm the biggest user of the internet.

I think that hardly constitutes being bent over.

I guess I can see how people feel like they were 'tricked' into buying a $100 credit. They did offer a bonus $25 credit and a free phone with sim card to boot. I'm sorry to bring this up to you, but you fell for the gimmick.

I fell for that gimmick a couple of years ago too. It took me a couple of years of just buying $25 vouchers yearly to bring the balance back down under $25 again.

The allure of free stuff tempted you to make a longer commitment, and a bad choice. It's just as bad as signing up for a 3 year contract.

We've all been speculating on the end of UMB. I'm sorry that you didn't see it for yourself and act accordingly.

Not sure as to what you're talking about China or whatnot. Truth is, there is no fairness or democracy anywhere. Money talks and I vote with my dollars.

Speakout is sending a message out there that is loud and clear. They do not want to provide data to anyone, anymore at such a level that completely undercuts the competition. Whatever the reason, you can speculate.

If Speakout is supposed to provide us data so cheaply, then I hope they do the same with voice and text. I propose 5c voice and 1c text.

Will they do it? Probably not. Doesn't fit their business model. Neither does UMB. Time to stop crying and move on.

Why don't I hear people complaining on the telus/rogers/bell forums?

UMB was setup where the customers actually got a great deal. Everyone followed the rules and played the game. The Robbers Casino finally caught on and kicking everyone out.

Anyway, the CRTC is as much at fault as RoBellus for the crap-arse state of mobile price gauging. Let's see if one deal closes, another one opens up.

Come on SO, offer a decent 2 gb plan....

So what do you guys think?

June 28-29 activate the 30 day feature to maximize the plan?

most people have spare SIMs anyway...

at least we can get an extra 30 days and beat the life out of it because even if we go over the 2GB what are they gonna do? take it away?

yuk yuk

iamdrumming said:

I would consider paying $25/year for cell phone service cheap. That is the cheapest in Canada.

Cheap in the sense that if you never use a cell phone it's cheap to keep and use one. But per minute, it's not cheap.

For every benefit, there is a downside. If there wasn't, SO would be the biggest cell phone company in Canada.

If data was priced like SO voice rates, data would cost $1/MB